as you may or may not be aware the poster 'mikepence' has asked people to donate to enable him (and his family?
) to travel to the silentlambs march and to file charges against their alleged abuser.
because he seemed to suddenly become very opposed to the idea of attending the march, i and some others asked him what i thought were simple and reasonable questions.
Okay.
Now this is ugly and unfair.
Simon- How can you allow anyone continue to make unwarranted accusations against others on here? Now, Biggs is "in on it". Because I know Mike and stand by his character, I am now part of a scam?
notperfectyet...You owe me an apology. besides, I already own a big-screen TV you nitwit!
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2002/aug/21/082101837.html
today: august 21, 2002 at 3:50:29 pdt .
philippine rebels seize hostages.
Hey, GRITS...
My intention is not to make light of people getting kidnapped. My laughter is directed at the thought of people posing as something that they're not, using this tactic as a means of 'theocratic warfare'. This at the direction of the local elders of the Circuit Overseer of the District Overseer of the Governing Body.
How will their "brothers" respond? Will they appeal to Caeser whom they hate? Or, will the poor victims be left spinning in the wind by the very men whose order's they were carrying out?
Oh, and to answer your question, I'm not in the mood for a head-cut today. Maybe tomorrow, though.
just poking through the archives of the last few days.... what the hell has happened here!?!.
no more moe, gravedancer, or bakedcanuck?!.
naeblis posts removed, others edited by moderators?!.
(To lighten the mood around here)...
Hey, Simon...This guy wants to apply for a job as an Editor/Moderator of this Forum...
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2002/aug/21/082101837.html
today: august 21, 2002 at 3:50:29 pdt .
philippine rebels seize hostages.
Hey, OUTLAW-
I wonder what'll be next? Amway? Shaklee? LOL!
I guess Jehovah is punishing them for lying. "You Know" might be next!
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2002/aug/21/082101837.html
today: august 21, 2002 at 3:50:29 pdt .
philippine rebels seize hostages.
LOL!
I thought is was a cover-up. Thanks for the assist, tibursyuk, and welcome to the Forum!
Edited by - Mister 8iggs on 21 August 2002 13:0:11
as you may or may not be aware the poster 'mikepence' has asked people to donate to enable him (and his family?
) to travel to the silentlambs march and to file charges against their alleged abuser.
because he seemed to suddenly become very opposed to the idea of attending the march, i and some others asked him what i thought were simple and reasonable questions.
Thanks for the info, Simon.
Musto- You're a silly guy. Please never go back to your nytelecom1 persona.
as you may or may not be aware the poster 'mikepence' has asked people to donate to enable him (and his family?
) to travel to the silentlambs march and to file charges against their alleged abuser.
because he seemed to suddenly become very opposed to the idea of attending the march, i and some others asked him what i thought were simple and reasonable questions.
Hi, Simon.
Is this the link for refunds for the silentlambs march or is it for the other project(s) Mike was working on? Please clarify. Thanks!
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2002/aug/21/082101837.html
today: august 21, 2002 at 3:50:29 pdt .
philippine rebels seize hostages.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2002/aug/21/082101837.html
Today: August 21, 2002 at 3:50:29 PDT
PATIKUL, Philippines- Suspected Abu Sayyaf guerrillas staged their first kidnappings since U.S. troops arrived to back a crackdown on the group, abducting at least six people who were selling Avon cosmetics door to door in a remote village.
Philippine troops responded by shelling suspected hideouts of the gang, which has been linked to al-Qaida. U.S. troops began aiding the crackdown against the Abu Sayyaf early this year after a mass kidnapping in May 2001 that included three American captives.
Jolo police chief Col. Ahiron Ajirimi said two men with pistols stopped a vehicle carrying the cosmetics sellers and forced them out Tuesday afternoon. He said the driver was left behind in the rural area of Jolo island, about 600 miles south of Manila.
Ajirimi said the driver later identified one kidnapper as Muin Maulod Sahiron, a nephew of local Abu Sayyaf leader Radullan Sahiron.
Officials initially reported that eight salespeople had been kidnapped, but two of them - the only Muslims and local residents in the group - showed up at their homes Wednesday, saying they had not been held. Police said they were investigating.
Ajirimi said six of the victims were from Zamboanga, the biggest city in the region, but were staying at a local inn and selling Avon products on Jolo island. Two women in their 40s and a 21-year-old man registered at the inn with the same last name and are likely related, he said.
A police report said the six were all Jehovah's Witnesses but said police found no evidence they were trying to evangelize in the predominantly Muslim area. The other two, Nidzmalin Sulayman and her husband Boyet, were acting as guides, Ajirimi said.
He said police found boxes of Avon cosmetics in their vehicle.
New York-based Avon Products Inc. is the world's largest direct seller of beauty products and has thousands of salespeople in the Philippines. Managers at its Manila office said they were not immediately aware of the abductions.
For six months beginning in February, about 1,200 U.S. troops trained and provided logistical and intelligence support for the Philippine army's push to eradicate the Abu Sayyaf.
The U.S. program ended officially three weeks ago, although a few Americans remained on Basilan island, which neighbors Jolo, to finish infrastructure projects. It was the first expansion of the U.S. war on terrorism outside Afghanistan.
The rebels in Jolo, about 50 miles southwest of Basilan, are from a different Abu Sayyaf faction and suffered less from the intense offensives that the military says decimated the Abu Sayyaf on Basilan.
Patikul Vice Mayor Esmon Suhuri said the Philippine army shelled suspected Abu Sayyaf hideouts around Patikul Tuesday night. Residents heard at least 10 ground-shaking artillery blasts. The fighting was the first in the war-stricken area in months.
Suhuri said the region's people were in the middle of a major harvest and renewed fighting could disrupt the relative prosperity the area has enjoyed this year.
On Wednesday, the Philippine Stock Exchange Index fell more than 2 percent on news of the kidnapping, which came amid fears of a widening national budget deficit.
The Abu Sayyaf has often kidnapped for ransom, but more frequently has abducted poor Filipinos to serve for weeks or months as slave labor.
In the past the army has refrained from launching major attacks against Abu Sayyaf while they held hostages.
Most hostages have been released, but more than a dozen have been killed in the past year, some beheaded. The group also has kidnapped women and forced them to marry guerrillas.
The last Abu Sayyaf kidnapping spree ended in June, when U.S.-trained soldiers, helped by U.S. surveillance and communications, tracked down rebels holding the last of 102 captives: American missionaries Gracia and Martin Burnham and Filipino nurse Ediborah Yap.
On June 7, soldiers rescued Mrs. Burnham, but her husband and Yap were killed. The Abu Sayyaf leader who led those kidnappings was believed killed with two of his men in a clash at sea two weeks later.
A Filipino man, Roland Ullah, is still being held from another Abu Sayyaf mass kidnapping two years ago.
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Hey, You Know...
Did you go to the book study this week? It reminds me of how far, you too, are away from the Watchtower Society belief system.
Let's see...King Hezekiah sent down three of his men down to the Assyrian army. The man on the horse in the picture (being that you probably are better at viewing photos than you are at reading a sentence) kept making accusations and claims aginst the people of Jerusalem. But what did the three representatives say in response? NOTHING. They were instructed to keep silent and let Jehovah handle matters. Can't you follow the same principles? LOL!
You would have been destroyed by jehovah for being disobedient and unfaithful...just like (according to the teachings that you are supposed to follow)...you will be when Jehovah opens his book of rememberance and doesn't see...well...You Know...your name written down.
So, you might as well come to the march, too. However, since technically I'm still in good standing, you won't be able to count your time when you try to teach me your apostate views.
To You Know...The Greatest Apostate Who Ever Posted!
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Mike-
I've known you a very long time. I don't know how to react. I love you and your family and I truly like and respect most of the folks on this forum.
Can't we all stop the bickering? Mike, I understand your point of view...I really do...but when you read between the lines (and the anger and frustration), people have some valid points of concern.
We are on the same side. Bill is the organizer of this march and if we want to be a part of the march, we need to respect his way of organizing the event. If one chooses to disagree with Bill's preferences, then one has the right to choose no to be a part of the march. You have that right, Mike.
The problem (or anger or disappointment) that people have with/toward you is that money was involved. They feel scammed or cheated when you don't use the money for what they contributed it for. I know you have a good reputation and I know you are not a scam artist. It's good that people have the option to rescind their donation. But...
As a friend, I want to offer a solution, or a resolution. Please...PLEASE...reconsider coming to the march. Get to meet with some of these poster's face-to-face. Perhaps there are some special friendship's to be found at this march. You may meet a friend for a lifetime! Give it a chance doing it Bill's way. Who knows? Maybe it will be therapeutic for you and your family. Please don't assume the worst, Mike. If the march doesn't accomplish much, at least it exposes the Watchtower. At least consider coming. I believe that if you go to the march, people will regain some respect and admiration for you as a person and for the causes that you fight for!
Let's get along. Let's unite. let's make this event happen: Together, peacfully, and in unity.
I have much love for you, Mike. I have much respect for most of you poster's. Do the honorable thing, Mike. Go to the march...You, Ryan, Becca, and Denise.
